17th Aug 2007, 08:46
My father use to buy cars and put over 200,000 miles on each. His sentimentality proved costly with engine work, trans etc. It seems a lot cheaper and reliable to have newer dependable transportation. That's why I no longer buy imports as well.
17th Aug 2007, 21:28
22:10 You Ford guys crack me up. You, YOURSELF admitted that the transmission needed replaced. Guess what? If it was a Toyota, it wouldn't have needed replaced. That's what you get for driving a Ford. You seem to think that your mileage is exceptional. If true, for a Ford engine, it's downright amazing. Toyota engines do it practically every time, if you care to keep it that long. As a Toyota owner, I'm not impressed.
18th Aug 2007, 22:09
The Ford transmission was abused and worked for years before it finally went @ 220,000 miles. Are you now going to say a Ford is crap because its transmission can only handle abuse for 220,000 miles? Saying conditional statements like "a toyota transmission WOULD last longer" doesn't prove anything. These conditional statements are about as useless of an argument as the "Fords are junk" rhetoric. You don't prove your case by calling domestics names and you don't prove your case by using supposed conditional statements. Here's a conditional statement for you, IF your Toyota transmission was used to do any of the work this Ford was used to do, it WOULD have been replaced before 220,000 miles. Spinning tires in mud is not abuse on a transmission. You Toyota people never do haul or pull anything with these trucks and if you do, you don't do it for years and years. Domestic trucks that have been worked all their lives are going strong all over where I live. Yet the Toyotas that keep going and going are used as cars or playing in mud for years and years. I never said that every Ford ever made is reliable, but the ones I've dealt with have been exceptional and they've been treated harshly. Does if really offend you that your Country's corporations are indeed capable of actually making strong vehicles and some of us get lots of service out of these trucks, and yet save money? Does this really bother you this badly?
19th Aug 2007, 08:47
The original reviewer summed it up on this review. I'll take a new Ford or GM and have a non compromised vehicle for my needs. And a better warranty,
19th Aug 2007, 11:19
"Toyota's are well known for being reliable. Ford's are known for being found on the road dead.
No need to go into all the mechanics of why this happens."
Yes, why bother to present any facts when it's so much easier to simply spout unfounded rhetoric?
19th Aug 2007, 17:40
So, now, why are you DEFENDING a Toyota on THIS review? Hello...! Can you not READ the review? The owner of the truck in this review obviously went through hell and back dealing with it. So why try and dissuade other people of the fact that Toyota trucks are NOT better than any domestic? READ. THE. REVIEW.
It explains all you need to know about horrid Toyota trucks.
20th Aug 2007, 16:25
22:09 None of it bothers me at all. I find it funny that people actually think that Ford makes any gasoline engine that is in the same league as a Toyota engine, that's all. I know they're not, as do most people, so I get a kick out of people defending a company like Ford that sold people garbage all through the 80's, 90's, and have only improved slightly today for fear of going under completely.
Toyota has sold people quality vehicles from day one, which is why they clearly command the car market and are well on their way to winning over the truck market also. They will.
Ford has made the F-150 for about 200 years, while Toyota has only made mid to full size trucks for about 10 or 15. It's just a matter of time before Tundra sales breeze by F-150 sales.
21st Aug 2007, 11:01
I would find it curious to see if the original reviewer buys another Toyota. I would step up and buy a new Ford F250 class or a Silverado and have a great truck. I stopped buying imports myself.
22nd Aug 2007, 18:24
10:32: Please do go into the "mechanicals" of why Toyota's are supposedly so reliable. Maybe you can explain why for years they have been notorious for blowing head gaskets, having engines self destruct due to sludge, and now most recently, snapping camshafts.
Don't state just state that Toyota's are (supposedly) better, and that as you seem to be implying, anybody with sense already knows that. I respect your opinion, but also respectfully disagree for with you for many reasons, not the least of which I have listed above.
If you have specifics, list them. While you claim a domestic truck going 300K+ miles is a 1/5000 event, I have seen it occur routinely. I will admit it is possible for a Toyota truck to go this distance, and have seen it happen (twice), but see it happen far more often with domestic trucks.
My brother's Ford Ranger with a 2.9 V6, for instance, has 390K miles, and his Chevy S-10 before that had well in excess of 200K.
My old Chevy S10 (with 4.3 V6) had 225K when I sold it.
My neighbor bought 3 Chevy vans in a row (with 350 V8's), always got 200K+ out of them with no trouble and they were running perfectly when he sold them.
My current Dodge D150 (with 318 V8) has 170K+ and shows no signs of quitting.
I know this is a car site, but even my boat has a 5.7L Chevy truck engine in it, which I beat the everliving heck out of, and it holds up just fine with over 1000 hard marine hours on it.
This does not agree with your 1/50000 statistic. I know you were just trying to make a point and were not being literal, but everything I have seen indicates your point is way off.
23rd Aug 2007, 10:47
"Toyota has sold people quality vehicles from day one, "
This is not correct. When japanese cars first hit the shores of the U.S., they were junk, on par with the Yugo. People bought them for the same reasons -- they were cheap, and they got better gas mileage. japanese cars only gained a foothold because it was the time of the Arab oil embargoes and people were desperate to dump their V-8 muscle cars and avoid the block-long lines at the gas stations.
With time, japanese cars improved more or less, but it's blatantly false to claim that they offered "quality vehicles from day one."
23rd Aug 2007, 20:20
It would be interesting to see if Toyotas engine in this pickup can run longer and attain higher mileage than a Ford F Series or Chevrolet Silverado diesel full size pick up. Once they are running, you leave them running all day.
It would also be especially interesting to do a comparison on the weekend towing in bumper to bumper beach traffic in 100 degree plus temperatures, and see how the import aluminum engine fares in comparison. I suspect we are to believe that diesel engines are not as durable as import aluminum gas engines just because it is so.