2nd Sep 2007, 19:13

"Boy, the %#@* just keeps getting deeper and deeper around here. Toyota are well known for being reliable."

Yes, I agree the %#@* is getting deeper around here, dramatically so after your comment.

Take a look at the Consumer Affairs web page documenting the widespread instances of catastrophic Toyota engine failures, and you'll see what %#@* really is.


That (the above link) is reality. The idea that Toyota's are quality is a myth.

3rd Sep 2007, 07:18

19:13 That's pretty funny. You should be a news anchor; 'WIDESPREAD'...'CATASTROPHIC'. The FACT (mind you; FACT) is that in any study you or I will read anywhere, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and ANY other make of vehicle has MORE problems per 100 new vehicles sold than does Toyota.

You offered not a single fact, and your opinions mean zero to the millions of people driving their Toyota's every day that never have problems. You just don't care for Toyota. Well, the majority of people buying vehicles in the world DO. They're going to continue to produce the best cars and trucks on the road and keep selling more of them regardless of your opinions.

3rd Sep 2007, 08:37

Just keep right on dreaming 7:18.

Sorry, but the instances of the ""WIDESPREAD!!"" Toyota engine failures documented by Consumer Affairs is a FACT.

Saying that Toyota has the fewest problems per 100 vehicles is blatantly false. Here are the top ten 2007 winners for initial quality for JD Power. Toyota did not receive top honors in any of the car segments.


Now I will grant you, that "initial quality" statistics are not necessarily indicative of what the total ownership experience will be like. For instance, a car such as a Toyota could be great up until 30-40K miles before blowing its engine, or conversely, a piece of interior trim could fall off during the first few months, be reported as a "problem," but after that the car will go on to deliver hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles. Which vehicle would you prefer? Last I checked, no other vehicles except Toyota's were blowing engines right and left, albeit you will not hear it in the news.

Now, do you want to dispute the FACTS I have presented, or continue to criticize the way I make my arguments because you are grasping at straws? Why don't you come back with something substantive, or maybe even really blow this forum away, and have it be something correct?

3rd Sep 2007, 10:48

23:16 I'd prefer to listen to an engineer also, and any one of them that knows up from down about vehicles will gladly explain exactly why Toyota and Honda engines are the cream of the crop.

Since I do think for myself, I buy nothing but Toyota's. Being a mechanic, and a good one, I might add, it's obvious to me that nothing else is as good. Honda is, but I'm talking trucks here, which rules out the Ridgeline.

The new Tundra, however, is at least as good as a Ford or Chevy at it's low points, and is of course better when it comes to the engine and drivetrain.

3rd Sep 2007, 16:32

23:16 Maybe Ford and Fox news should have waited until the 3 million Fords 'definitely' caught on fire. Would that have been smarter? That's what Ford is accustomed to doing. Google search 'Ford fires'. I think I'll keep my Toyota.

3rd Sep 2007, 19:19

Actually 07:18, JD Power associates gave five Ford products awards this year for best initial quality. They gave Ford more awards than any other company this year.

You need to quit predicting the future. You don't know what is going to happen to Toyota in the next 10 or 20 years. You're not God. As they become the new GM, more arrogant and corporate corruption is bound to get the best of them as it did Ford and GM. When they are expected to mass produce in the numbers that GM and Ford has done a few years ago, the lemons are going to be everywhere.

Let's see how many problem Tundra's there are out there when Toyota has to produce over 900,000 worldwide like Ford did last year.

4th Sep 2007, 12:22

It's not just the Tundra that is having problems... all Toyota's seem to have reliability and quality issues.

4th Sep 2007, 14:01

Wow.. a lot of taunting at the new Tundra and it basically just came out. I live in a very conservative city in Minnesota and today I saw two new Tundras driving around in my city of 11k. Sorry, but Toyota is finishing up taking over with their more mainstream cars and then they will get the trucks...

4th Sep 2007, 14:12

168,000 Tundras should be perfect compared to 900,000 right?

4th Sep 2007, 16:20

If all three million Fords caught on fire, it would be all over the news. There would be fatalities all over the country. Heaven knows they already like to report any downfalls Ford is having and hide the import's problems. A few Fords caught fire causing Ford to think that it was best to go ahead and replace all of the cruise-control brake wires. All this wire is, is a 5 inch piece of wire with a resistor in the middle and plugs at each end. All it does is tell the computer when the brake pedal is being pressed so it will disengage the cruise control. It's a very cheap and small oversight that could easily be overlooked. How about Fox News actually report when all 3.3 million Toyota V-6's burn up because all of the oil inside of them had converted to sludge?

I bet if we started talking about the cam shafts snapping in the Tundra 5.7L, you would just say "oh, well only 20 snapped out of the 30,000 sold so far, so they're okay". But you'll exaggerate Ford's issue by saying that all 3 million recalled vehicles have already caught fire. What a bunch of malarkey. I have still yet to see a charred Ford be brought into our Garage to have the five inch piece of wire replaced. Are you going to say that Toyota having a small piece of hose causing engines to blow is no big deal, but Ford having a small piece of wire that might burn your car is a tragedy? Nice to see you're so fair and balanced.

The simple and fair statement I was trying to say is: if the media is going to report the domestics' flaws, they should be reporting the imports' flaws; and if they are going to report the import's success, they should be reporting the domestic's success. You never see them reporting the F-150 outselling all of the competition for 30 years in a row, Ford has to do that themselves. However, they all twitch with zeal when they report that Toyota has passed GM in production numbers. Are you this badly stricken with tunnel vision? Surely anyone could understand something as simple as this. I have still yet to see the media report Ford getting five initial quality rewards by J.D. Power and Associates.

The only reason you don't dispute this bias is because it is bias in your direction; the same way liberals are not offended by MSNBC. They're bias in their direction, so they're happy with them. Since you have a hatred for American products, you have no problem with their troubles being written across the sky; and since you love imports, you have no problem with any problems they have being ignored.