16th Jan 2011, 14:07
I suppose it's good that buyers get more choice from European models. However, the Fiesta is new to North America. It's a first year model here, and it's bound to have problems. Check out the reviews from owners on this site. Many of them are unhappy with their Fiestas.
18th Jan 2011, 17:21
Define "Many Owners" on this site. I had to go back 5 model years before I even found one (and it was only one) in 2007 that gave it a frowny face.
19th Jan 2011, 13:16
2005 and 2006 had the most complaints as for model year of the Fiesta. There is hardly a large number of complaints here though compared to positive reviews.
19th Jan 2011, 21:24
Perhaps you didn't read this review. This is a negative review. It states the Fiesta has poor visibility, a noisy engine, and ugly looks. Check out the 2011 years. Those are the years I have looked at. I don't care how great it is in Europe, it's new to North America. One reviewer states that it's a complete lemon. He or she is not happy. Another states the transmission is slipping, and it's back in the shop.
20th Jan 2011, 18:23
Check out this owner's 2011 review of the Fiesta.
21st Jan 2011, 12:50
Yes, every car line has a lemon here and there. This one post still doesn't make the whole line a bad choice. I am sure you could find a really bad post on just about every car line on this site. Even this post was taken from a positive overall review of the Fiesta.
21st Jan 2011, 17:56
Perhaps 'many unhappy owners' was stretching it. However, there is definitely more than one negative post/comment on the 2011 Fiesta. It proves my point that this car may be very much praised by automotive journalists, who base everything on 0 - 60 times, body roll, and flashy looks. But I would wait another two or three years before I buy one in the U.S. or Canada. The Yaris, Fit, and Accent are all good alternatives.
20th Feb 2011, 02:19
First, you don't even own a Yaris. You own an Echo!
Second, regarding your "many" bad Fiesta reviews... Since you don't own and probably have never even driven a Fiesta, I do not consider your "bad review" of the Fiesta a valid point. I was talking about actual owners and actual drivers who paid for and actually drive these cars every day who wrote reviews!
Of the people with first hand knowledge, you have to go back 5 years to the previous model Fiesta to even see an overall :( review on this site. So again, define "many" bad reviews. And you can't count your own this time!
Go test drive one at least, and get some first hand knowledge before you say it's no good. Remember, no one here even said Yaris was no good... just boring/ugly. In all, the car mags that compare Yaris/Fit/Fiesta/Versa; who always comes in last. I'll give you one guess, and it isn't the Fiesta!
20th Feb 2011, 13:15
I think you are missing the point. There are 4 reviews and 3 out of 4 have a smiley face (good overall) review, and one indifferent face. Hardly "many" bad or frowny face reviews. The point I think is that overall, people who own/review seem happy with their cars. The fact that you don't own/comment and say that it isn't as good as a Yaris (which you also don't own i.e. Echo) does not mean the Fiesta isn't a good car. The press seems to like Fiesta better than Yaris too. I've read the reviews by experts, so it stands to reason that the owners might be correct in loving their Fiesta too. "Have you driven a Ford lately?" Has Mr Toyota recovered from his trip to Capitol Hill, and other European venues to say he was sorry for making/selling defective cars? I applaud Ford for stepping up their game, and selling us more "World" cars that people enjoy driving. Yaris doesn't strike me as a "fun to drive" model. It's like an appliance that moves you from point A to point B in a forgettable manner.
20th Feb 2011, 21:43
"First, you don't even own a Yaris. You own an Echo!"
Yes, I do own an Echo. However, it is very similar to a Yaris. It is the predecessor, and has the same engine, same ergonomics, high reliability, and fuel economy ratings.
I wrote the comment on 17:56 where I CLEARLY stated that perhaps 'many owners' was stretching it. Then I pointed out a Yaris, or Accent were good alternatives. My whole point was that the Fiesta is unproven in North America. I NEVER said it was no good, nor did I EVER WRITE A REVIEW OF THE FIESTA. You seem very confused. I said it was unproven, and that I would rather have a Yaris. I based that comment on my extremely positive experience with the Toyota Echo, and the research a I have found on the Yaris.
I also pointed -- or at least tried -- to a link to 2011 Fiesta owner who wrote a comment stating that his car was a lemon. There are at least FOUR 2011 reviews for the Fiesta. Some of them are negative, and contain negative comments, NOT all from me. I'm not sure what this 5 years for a full review is supposed to mean.
It is automotive journalists who are gushing over the Fiesta. They base their reviews on 0-60 times, and body roll. I couldn't care less about these things, and I would guess many entry level car owner don't care either. Try to look up the Fiesta in Consumer Reports. You'll find, New Model: No Data to rate reliability. The Yaris wins in reliability and Fuel economy. The Fit, Accent and Versa are also good alternatives with good track records in North America.
You don't have to own one to state this. Do some research. I don't think it's a prerequisite to have to test drive or own a car to comment on it. You're probably reading car mags like 'Road and Track.' They don't care about economy cars. Finally, I don't care how boring or ugly some believe the Yaris is. I would rather have one than a Fiesta. I mustn't be alone, because the Yaris has sold millions around the world, including North America.
22nd Feb 2011, 01:07
Echo/Yaris fan, I HAVE actually done research on the Fiesta, and I can assure you that I know more about the Fiesta than you probably know about the Yaris.
I do read, and subscribe to Consumer Reports. I have for the last 20 years. Want to know why it says No Data/New Model? They are a US Magazine, and they only test cars that have been on sale in the US for at least 2 or 3 years. The data they provide is from subscribers who fill out a yearly questionnaire about the cars they own. Now... what that means in a nutshell is NOT that the Fiesta is unproven. It just means it is new to the US, and they don't have any subscribers to provide them any first hand knowledge. It's not a brand new model at all. The current model that we JUST got has been on sale in Europe for two years already. It's just new to the US, and we have not had a chance to drive it.
Here is where my research comes in. Do you know what car has been given awards for best selling car in Europe for the past few years? Fiesta. Took the honor away from the Golf, as a matter of fact. Regarding your claim that the Yaris is a more "proven" vehicle, you may want to do some research. It is not nearly as proven as the Fiesta. The Fiesta has been built in Germany for many many years, and has been in production continuously for 32 years in Europe. How long has the Echo/Yaris been around. I think 32 years is long enough to prove that the Fiesta is a solid car. When the Yaris reaches 32 years in production, then come tell me about it's proven record. The Fiesta is the Grandfather of Economy cars. Do some research yourself, and you will see.