6th Dec 2007, 00:16
04:16 please leave Canada out of this, this is your opinion. But since you're on the topic of Canada, you are wishing that Canada loses thousands of jobs by wishing GM goes under, smarten up.
General Motors does not import the majority of their parts, that is completely incorrect; I know, I work with their cars everyday. GM has come a long way in quality, so without facts, people need to stop judging their current cars on nothing.
82,000 km... that's absolutely nothing on a car these days. I know someone personally who was approaching 500 000km on a GM product with the original engine. He only replaced an alternator and an engine mount if I recall properly. I own all GM products, and I can honestly say I'm happy with them.
The bottom line is that no car is perfect, and that includes Toyota. Toyota has a major problem on their hands right now with quality on some of their cars, just like GM has had with some of theirs in the past.
I really wish people would write a review for how it is. If you have a lot of problems, then you don't have to rave about the car. Personally if I had all these problems I don't care what service the dealer gives me, its totally unacceptable.
Basically quit knocking American cars unless you own one, and don't think all American companies are the same, they're not. I've noticed many posters have no clue what they are posting. Unreal.
6th Dec 2007, 17:29
00:16 No. Toyota does not have a 'major' problem like GM is used to having. GM's trouble is that EVERYTHING they make is sub-par and cheaply put together. Toyota had a few problems with about TWO models; one of them being the vastly blown out of proportion camshaft issue that has long been remedied.
You're not getting away with comparing Toyota to GM. There's no comparison there. Toyota is a excellent company that manufactures some of the highest quality automobiles in the world, and GM is a high volume company that slaps them together and now has a reputation for doing just that.
6th Dec 2007, 23:49
I agree with commenter 00:16. I think many of the posters who bash domestics know virtually nothing about cars, or have never even so much as sat in a domestic. You see comments about "4 CYCLE" Hondas and Toyotas. Obviously if a commenter doesn't even know what a cylinder is, it is pretty obvious they aren't very car literate. I prefer facts and comments from people who have actually driven the cars they make comments on.
7th Dec 2007, 13:07
I would love to see a complete list of what GM models you have driven the past 2 years, 2006-08 for example, to condemn an entire manufacturer. Please list all the new cars you have personally driven. I have honestly only driven a new Camry and a Tundra with first hand observations... the Camry was very bland and the Tundra was not as nice as my Silverado I selected to tow my boat.
Anyway, do you have a complete comprehensive list with years, models of the GM vehicles you personally tested? Enlighten us by being extremely specific on all new ones you have driven.
7th Dec 2007, 20:09
23:49 Well, I know very much about cars; I know what a cylinder is, as well as every other part of an automobile and exactly what it is supposed to do. Which is exactly why I drive imports; Toyota's specifically. The domestics don't measure up in quality.
8th Dec 2007, 07:32
20:09 then if you know cylinders than you certainly also know what specific 2006-08 domestic models you drove to critique an entire manufacturer. I would like to see your list of all GM models. I have only driven 2 new Toyotas so cannot condemn an entire lineup as you feel qualified to do. I am quite impressed of all the compacts, sedans, SUV's and trucks you have driven. Its quite remarkable to have driven them all in the last 2 years.
8th Dec 2007, 11:02
I never cared for GM, and my family drove 1970's and 1980's Dodges and Plymouths up until the mid 1990's. Our first GM was a 1984 Chevy Cavalier station wagon, and while it was a puddle-jumper, it was cheap ($350) and ran for several years and past 210,000 miles.
Then we had a 1990 Pontiac 6000LE station wagon, and it was pretty nice; after that we had a 1989 Chevy van that was flawless to 200,000 miles when we sold it.
We currently have a 1994 Cadillac Seville with 180,000 miles that is great.
I wouldn't be afraid to buy a used GM product. Personally, though, I thought the puddle-jumper 1984 Cavalier was a nicer car than my in-laws' 2000 Honda Accord.
8th Dec 2007, 22:29
07:32 No one needs to drive every GM automobile to condemn GM. All that you have know is that they build them all using the same materials, same poor work ethic, and same bad design practices.
For as big of a company as they are, and for what those workers get paid, they should be putting out the best cars and trucks in the world. Instead, they manufacture some of the worst.
There aren't many automakers that make a worse product than GM. Not in the United States at least. They don't care enough to design a good engine. They just keep spewing out the same cheap crap and expecting people to just buy it. Well, it isn't working. Obviously, according to sales trends in the last decade. Toyota is a better choice every time.
9th Dec 2007, 10:24
I just bought a 1998 Accord with 60,000 miles and it is far superior to a 1984 Cavalier in every single way. Not to mention that the materials used are of higher quality than a Cadillac from the early 90's.
You are suffering from bias and you cannot fathom a Japan built vehicle better than your car. You are like my grandparents.
BTW... my 1994 Accord you laughed at for having only 240,000 miles two years ago now has 300,000 miles. Who is laughing now? That is more than 260,000 miles on some Dodge owned by who? Not really sure anymore.
9th Dec 2007, 21:50
Isn't it interesting that right after you see a great (and HONEST) comment such as 11:02 you find rants that are TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE and based on nothing but opinion (and obviously flawed ones at that).
To say that "you don't have to drive a GM to condemn them" makes little sense. If you have no experience with GM (as commenter 11:02 obviously has) then, NO, you CAN'T condemn them.
I currently drive one GM vehicle that was bought used, and one that was bought new. Neither has ever had a single repair or problem of any kind. If you have never so much as sat in a car, you have ZERO basis for condemning it.
J.D. Powers rated the lowly 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix ahead of the Toyota Avalon. If you check Consumer reports you'll find that the highest rated car they have ever featured is a FORD.
Please check your facts before insulting people such as commenter 11:02.
10th Dec 2007, 19:15
22:29 I feel fortunate that this attitude no longer applies to the racial bias and prejudice that was once prevalant in this country. Anyway does one bad car experience 20 yrs ago mean all are bad for all time? I think all car shows must be bad with that attitude why go?...just buy one car keep it forever and forget technological and engineering advances that change every year. Also take in account 2 different drivers one maintains and one does not. My son once tore the clutch out of my new Integra I once owned in one day was that the mfrs fault?...maybe my trans would have lasted unless it was a TL. All I know is my 2004-2008 GM's are every bit as good to date as my 2 new Legends I once owned as far as reliability. The new Acura TL we recently had was a POS no other way to describe it it was only 34K. My worse new car buy ever and Toyota has no equivalent to even consider that handles as well.