18th Jan 2008, 10:06

Everybody makes fun of the Taurus saying it was a bad car. My grandparents have a 1999 Taurus with 115,000 miles on it. It has been in two wrecks and still going. Our 2003 Taurus has 52,000 or so and runs great.

21st Jan 2008, 15:24

After exhaustive research I must concur with the previous comment. The Tundra is okay for hauling groceries and for driving short distances at low speeds. I wouldn't trust it for heavy hauling or for driving at highway speeds. If you want a real truck, look to Chevy, GMC, Ford or Dodge.

24th Jan 2008, 06:22

Any Toyota truck is a better one than anything the Big 3 could ever manage to haphazardly slap together.

24th Jan 2008, 14:34

6:22 My last 2 Silverados have been absolutely excellent. The 2004 I traded with 75,000 miles no issues whatseover. Under 40,000 miles my imports I had (cars) fell apart mechanically. The new GM has an even better warranty than the imports. The new 2008 Tahoe V8 is Green Vehicle of the Year. Same MPG as the 4 cylinder Camry!

24th Jan 2008, 22:36

Yeah, OK, the imports fell apart under 40,000 and the crappy GM's held together. Sure.

25th Jan 2008, 14:39

Go to the 2002 TL Type S Review and read all about it.

26th Jan 2008, 11:34

Or, you could go to practically any Ford or Chevy thread and see how terrible they were and are. Should I even mention the Windstar, Contour, Taurus, Blazer, Jimmy, S-10, Lumina, etc.?..just to name a handful of the many. All complete scrap. Toyota has never made anything that stoops even close to this low.

26th Jan 2008, 17:20

11:34 They haven't? Go to www.consumeraffairs.com and read about Camry, Tacoma, Tundra, Avalon, Echo and Prius for openers. Look at major engine issues on late models, and then go to safety air bags, braking as well. These are major comments, not a seat belt buckle or an intermittent tail light bulb.

In addition, many find these cars as a basic boring to drive appliance on comments I have seen by owners. Fun to drive is my number one buying determination; if it's bland and very boring, I am not going with it. At least have a fun vehicle to drive.

I found new Hondas better to drive than Toyota, but not any better mechanically. Up the quality, and exhibit the quality exhibited with lower production in the past, and I may return at some point.

I am certain manufacturers like individuals that buy every few years, more than someone driving the 10 year old Toyota once, who feels they are expert on all the latest ones people own and comment on.

26th Jan 2008, 22:59

I owned imports built in the 80's and 90's and they were very unreliable and expensive to maintain then. I owned 70's domestics that were more reliable. Imports have not gotten worse, people are just now realizing that they never were any good. The Japanese have always cut corners on materials and building techniques and still do. All domestics have always been over built and the trucks still are. The Tundra is very poorly built compared to a Silverado, GMC or F-150.

27th Jan 2008, 11:56

17;20 The domestics have always had far, FAR more major issues per car or truck than Toyota. That's a fact. Each of the Toyota's you named are WAY better built than any domestic ever was. Especially the Camry and Tacoma. All of them actually, but Camry's and Tacoma's are historically rock solid, which is something that can't be said of ANY domestic vehicle.

28th Jan 2008, 22:38

Okay, one more time: READ THE CAMRY REVIEWS then try to convince us how "reliable" they are.

29th Jan 2008, 13:13

Look at the latest Toyota posts on how lousy they are by actual owners this past few days.,

30th Jan 2008, 06:39

I have 3 relatively new Chevrolets and love them all. I even test drove the new Tundra and did not like the handling. Did you drive both? The new Silverado is a far superior truck.

30th Jan 2008, 13:14

06:39 The Silverado, as well as any other Chevy truck is not superior, but is in reality, inferior to any Toyota product. YOU may like it better for reasons I'll never understand, but the Tundra or any other Toyota is the more reliable, better built vehicle.

31st Jan 2008, 17:15

I also had multiple transmission replacements with my lousy new Honda and went with GM, No engine or transmissions issues whatsoever on either one of my late model GM's. I have no intention on going with Tundra after reading about engine issues. With half the mechanical warranty and reported engine issues I refuse to go through what we did before with imports. 20 years ago imports could do no wrong for us, but 2 recent bad experiences and that's it. The new Silverado is outstanding and my SUV with the same drivetrain absolutely no issues as well.

31st Jan 2008, 22:42

You will never get ANY objective or valid data that indicates the Tundra (or Camry or Highlander) are in any way better than a Ford, GM or Chrysler, because no such data exists.

Comments such as 13:14 are without any substance, because there simply is nothing to quote or cite as examples of the alleged superiority of Toyota.

Even with Tundra and Camry now rapidly heading to slots atop the "Vehicles to avoid" lists, diehard owners of 15-year-old Toyotas will still keep making such posts.

1st Feb 2008, 05:00

22:12 Well, again, in reality, people have the opposite experience. The Toyota's perform better almost every time. Which is why people are buying more and more of them every year and less and less GM's.

1st Feb 2008, 12:17

The fact is people bought 7 times more Ford F Series last year than Tundra in America. That's with Ford alone! Add the other 2 (there's 3 in the big 3) and get back to us. Do you even own a new full size truck or are you supposed to be on the car forum?

1st Feb 2008, 22:59

"Tacoma's are historically rock solid, which is something that can't be said of ANY domestic vehicle."

My '88 Ford Ranger just turned 400,000 miles on the original engine and transmission with no major problems to speak of. I'm sorry; I do not agree with you.

2nd Feb 2008, 00:00

12:17. My math is right on. Toyota just passed Ford as the second in worldwide sales. That means they sold more than Ford. Your beloved F-150 is not going to save Ford, and you recite its sales just like every other Ford owner on this site, because it's the last hope Ford has to cling to. Toyota sells more vehicles than Ford does.

2nd Feb 2008, 13:42

22:59 If so, then you are one of the luckiest Ford owners on Earth, because most of them fall apart in far less than half that many miles. Toyota owners expect 300,000 miles or more with regular maintenance, while a Ford owner can expect about half or less of that and should call it a miracle if one of them makes it to 300,000.

2nd Feb 2008, 13:49

Toyota sales are number 2 behind GM... I have a new Silverado. GM's recent sales figures are up... Toyota's most recent overall sales figures are down according to todays news on recent sales. Ford F-250 3/4 ton pickup would be my definite 2nd choice on full size pickups. If I were buying a small car maybe the Camry due to gas pricing which also has an effect on families buying decisions. If you own a pickup you are driven by a different set of criteria than strictly economy however. Applying total car sales to pickup sales seems totally different. SUV buyers for example with large V8's may be able to still operate out of a smaller fuel efficient sedan. However many need a full size pickup the bed and towing capabilities to earn a living. I have no issue with 12 mpg as long as I can make a living utilizing a truck to work on a daily basis. A car purchaser may balk at that look more at economy, resale than function of a truck. Anyway the market is extremely strong for trucks......you can't ride a bus,commute on a train etc if you need one to make a living which the numbers indicate. I see very few full size import trucks at any rate every morning at building supplies.