17th Dec 2007, 17:45
To commenter 10:18:
I guess the Chevy Malibu was just chosen one of the "World's 10 Best" Cars because it is a "Low buck rental car"??
I suppose the Pontiac Grand Prix won a "Best in Class" award (in a class that includes the Toyota Avalon) by J.D. Power because it was a rattly piece of junk.
Of course the "cheap, gas guzzling Mustang" was just awarded top honors in performance, execution and layout, initial quality and dependability (in a field that includes the Toyota Solara) because it was so "shoddy". I think not.
I own both a 7-year-old GM (a Pontiac) and a 2007 Mustang V-6. The Pontiac has never required a single repair... EVER. Not even brake pads.
My Mustang got 19.4 miles per gallon in city driving on the first tank, and has never dropped below 20mpg since. My average freeway mileage ranges between 24 and 26. It's been flawless and I expect it to continue to be.
We've gotten over 300,000 miles out of one Ford with no major (and few minor) repairs.
As for Cobalt, I've never owned one, but I have driven three. Nothing about them appears any "cheaper" than a Civic or Corolla, and the seats were more comfortable (to me at least) than my friend's Corolla. The Cobalt also comes in sporty colors (Corolla doesn't, though Civic does) and no 2-door sport model of a Corolla is even offered.
My wife has been left stranded on the highway twice in her life by a broken down car. In BOTH cases it was a Toyota with less than 40,000 miles on it. Never once have either of us been stranded because of a domestic breaking down... EVER.
18th Dec 2007, 22:15
15:09 You may enjoy driving 300,000 mile vehicles, but we do not. I would not like my wife or daughter with an infant to have faith in severe ice conditions to brave daily treks to daycare and to work. In the unlikely event there is a warranty or just oil changes/filters to date on our new GM's, we have the dealer courtesy shuttle both to work and pick up as well as a loaner vehicle for an overnight stay.
We owned imports and thought they were better. When we were let down we bought nice domestics. When we were neglected and saw deficiencies in the quality of minimum service, as one might expect we jumped ship. When the day comes when you are hit hard in the wallet on repairs, you may take notice as well. I do not wish that on you, but we had issues on 2 relatively new vehicles that also got depreciated on Car Fax when we unloaded them. No more. Anyone buying our domestics will only see normal dealer reports on the Car Fax, not major mechanical issues.
19th Dec 2007, 09:46
22:15 I don't believe for a second that anything GM produces has a higher resale value than anything Honda or Toyota offers. In fact, a recent report from JD powers shows that most GM products are near the bottom of the list along with Kia and Hyundai. So unless you owned a Kia or Hyundai, I fail to see what the reasoning is there.
Secondly, repairs for both domestic and import brands with the exception of luxury imports like BMW will be about the same. Reason being is that the cost of parts are about the same. I've repaired both. In many cases I've actually found Ford parts to cost more than Toyota parts.
19th Dec 2007, 09:48
I was a Detroit family, used to think my domestic cars were better than the Japanese. Thought my fancy Buicks and Cadillac were the best. Then the Honda Civic started to hold its value better and was better built with less problems. I switched to Honda after having catastrophic issues with my GM cars. I was in the General Motors family, but still could not fix the troubles with my cars unless I got a new one every other year. My Hondas; 5 Accords and 1 Civic to date, have been immaculate. I do not have transmission problems. Only oil and filters. I cannot say the same for my GM cars, which needed new engine seals often and were built very poor.
Sorry, I will not believe anyone when they say that the domestic cars are the best. I learned first hand that the cheapest Japanese car was far superior in build quality than GM's best vehicle.
I also do not want to hear any stories of your Pontiac 6000 achieving 210k because that is not an accomplishment, and I do not tell me of your Civic having a freak blow up at 40,000 miles.
Who are you guys kidding? The Dodge Caravan among the best American achievements has just fallen to the Odyssey in American sales? Domestic cars superior to Japanese cars? Not a chance!
20th Dec 2007, 11:45
I suspect that anyone who has ever actually DRIVEN a late model Buick LaCrosse or Lucern could honestly say a CAMRY drives "50 times better". The new Buicks are some of the finest, best built and best driving cars on the road. I seriously considered the LaCrosse before my last car purchase because of the excellent interior, fit and finish, ample power and stylish looks. I also considered Buick because of all the 80's Buicks still on the road with very high mileage and still running very well.
It is very annoying to see comments from individuals who have never even SAT in a car bashing it, or to see statements such as "I don't have to drive one to know it's crap". That is not a very objective approach, and has probably driven some prospective import buyers into the domestic market. Subjective statements prove nothing except a lack of evidence to support the claims.
19th Apr 2008, 01:36
Um I'm sorry but Toyota is not what it used to be. Our 1998 Camry 4cyl has 170,000 miles on it and no problems. BUT, Toyota has gotten ahead of themselves and now their quality has gone down hill. The new Camrys seem to have an awful lot of problems.
As for the people wishing death to GM. have you seen the new Malibu? It is a model of what a family sedan should be. Take pride in our country and what we produce. Nothing says made in U.S.A. any more. Back in the day people wouldn't buy anything that didn't say that. Now apparently our cars are crap and we are lazy. Well I think we are on the verge of a comeback. Go try a new domestic car today and see what you think.
20th Apr 2008, 21:22
Why on Earth a citizen of this country would encourage the de-valuing of our dollar, the loss of countless jobs, the destruction of their children's future, and the prospect of continuing our country's slide into oblivion is beyond me.
I seriously doubt that any of the import fanatics who rant "DOWN WITH AMERICAN INDUSTRY" have ever even DRIVEN a late model domestic car or truck. If they had, they'd have nothing to base their comments on.
21st Apr 2008, 05:57
The newest Camry I just saw on TV now has starting issues and transmission problems, I'll pass.
21st Apr 2008, 14:05
21:22 I am a loyal Toyota owner, and that is because until the Big 3 decide to put some effort into making something that isn't junk, I have to look elsewhere. It's the value of my American dollar that decides that for me.
I'm not wasting my money on a Ford Fusion made in Mexico when I can buy a far better Toyota with more American parts content than the Ford. Easy choice.
I have driven new domestics. They drive nice. It's when they get older and start falling apart that they start to bother me. They all do. So do Toyota's, but the difference is it's about 8 years and 200,000 miles later than the domestic go-carts they make.
When I spend money, I simply don't waste it on junk like GM, Ford, and Dodge makes. I buy Toyota's, and if they weren't in existence, I'd be buying Honda's, then Nissan, Subaru, Hyundai, hell, any of them are a smarter buy than the Big 3's pathetic offerings.