26th Oct 2010, 12:47
"Before making statements based solely on Japanese car company ad hype, DO SOME RESEARCH. I DID.""
What ad hype do you continually refer to? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Did you also research the big three automakers and all of their shortcomings as viable businesses? Do you think these companies care any more about you or any other American worker than the Japanese import companies do? If so, then it is you who has been buying into hype.
The domestic auto companies have created such a negative impact on American manufacturing by building sub par quality vehicles for decades. They now continue to diminish our economy by outsourcing jobs to other countries. You claim this saves jobs. Tell that to the people who lost theirs due to factory closures that made the way for new factories in Canada and Mexico. Look at the Motor City and how beautiful it is nowadays. What a testament to how wonderful the domestic auto companies are and how much they really care about the U.S.
No, I am afraid it is you that is buying into the hype that American car companies are good and caring companies, that have our best interests in mind. I am not sure what research you did on the subject, but I am sure most of it was government funded or backed by the auto industry, if it has anything positive to say about the domestic auto industry!
27th Oct 2010, 06:16
So buying a foreign car is the solution? Taking a lower paid job is advancement due to foreign pressure. Many of my family now work 2 to 3 jobs, even with advanced degrees today. I guess you could downsize and lower the quality of life however.
27th Oct 2010, 08:46
Maybe Toyota can offer a 100000 mile warranty, but with all the negative publicity I have been reading lately, with more and more issues and recalls, I have doubts. I feel higher production is the reason.
27th Oct 2010, 10:10
Supporting the last frontier of large incompetent businesses that have plagued our country for decades is not the answer. Sorry, but the downsizing and lower quality of life you are talking about is the life you should have been living all along. The dream is over and it is time to wake up to the reality that we are living beyond our means.
America is the ultimate illusion of wealth and prosperity. The reality is that we've been buying our wealth and prosperity for years, as we have no base for it like manufacturing. Now even the companies you so blindly support are continually looking for lower labor costs, and they will keep building their foreign factories. They care as much about you and I as the Japanese companies do. Buying an American car isn't going to change that fact, or make things any better for our economy.
27th Oct 2010, 10:15
Toyota has the same basic warranty as everyone other than Hyundai and Suzuki with their 10 year/100K mile warranty. GM is using a marketing game to make their warranty look better, but it is still the same 5 years that you'll get with the Toyota. 90% or better won't use a single extra mile on their GM warranty over what they'd get with a Toyota warranty.
In my experience, Toyota doesn't need to add mileage to their warranty. I've never had any issues with one other than routine maintenance that isn't covered under warranty anyhow.
GM? They should offer a 10 year 100K mile warranty. Then they would go broke faster and we could stop talking about them!
27th Oct 2010, 13:18
The only warranty that counts is the bumper-to-bumper warranty. The limited drive train warranties are just marketing stuff, and these warranties are useless and made to impress the customer. I'm not impressed by the amount of fine print in these warranties. Read for yourself at http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html
Just some exclusions from good old Chevy:
Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are sensors, wiring, connectors, engine radiator, coolant hoses, coolant and heater core. Coverage on the engine cooling system begins at the inlet to the water pump and ends with the thermostat housing and/or outlet that attaches to the return hose. Also excluded are the entire pressurized fuel system (in-tank fuel pump, pressure lines, fuel rail (s), regulator, injectors and return line) as well as the Engine/Powertrain Control Module and/or module programming.
Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are transmission cooling lines, hoses, radiator, sensors, wiring and electrical connectors. Also excluded are clutch and pressure plate as well as any Transmission Control Module and/or module programming.
Exclusions: Excluded from the powertrain coverage are all wheel bearings, drive wheel front and rear hub bearings, locking hubs, drive system cooling, lines, hoses, radiator, sensors, wiring and electrical connectors related to drive systems as well as any drive system control module and/or module programming.
STILL IMPRESSED? Basically the warranty doesn't cover all the parts that ACTUALLY breaks down in a car. It's just a complete joke! Good job GM, way to go!
27th Oct 2010, 19:56
Too funny! I bet if your tranny cooling lines fail and they aren't covered, and that makes the tranny itself fail, that wouldn't be covered either. GM would surely use that loophole to get out of a major repair like a transmission.
GM is junk... and now their warranty goes right along with the rest of their car line... junk! I am so sorry I ever wasted one dime on their vehicles. Live and learn... Imports forever!
27th Oct 2010, 20:06
To give you an idea of just how blown out of proportion the recall mess for Toyota is... Go google "any car maker" recalls. If you put in GM recalls, Ford recalls or Toyota recalls there are millions for each of them over the past couple of years. Ford, GM and Chrysler had some major recalls for fire hazards, steering loss, brake loss, etc. etc. You don't hear about all of them, because the American car companies cannot afford to have stories similar to Toyotas leaked all over the front pages of every news source. They are listed if you look for them, but haven't been made into a media circus like Toyota's issues have.
This is about saving businesses and not really about less recalls for domestic cars. There are millions listed as recalls, so more than a handful of problems as domestic lovers seem to quote for domestic recalls!
29th Oct 2010, 12:26
Who on earth can stop the media from making anything public? Nobody! There are many domestic recalls that have tarnished many domestics. Do you remember Ford and Firestone? GM x-body cars? Oldsmobile's diesel? The Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen? Ford Pintos? Chevy Vegas? I could go on and on. The reason they made a big deal about Toyota is because up until this past decade, it was a rare thing. But not anymore."
Believe me, they have been focused on Toyota's issues, because there is a large number of domestic recalls still going on now that you never hear about. The media likes to sensationalize things, which is why you only hear about Toyota. They have never had major issues until now, although those major issues have been blown way out of proportion in reality. It is more newsworthy than the ongoing domestic recalls that have been plaguing their cars for decades.