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That means that GM has improved their multi-million dollar deficit a little bit. Can't you see how impressed I am. Toyota actually makes something called a profit.
Just picked up my 07 Tacoma today, I love this truck. I also have a 2004 Chevy Duramax and I also love that truck. I know I cannot compare power, but the Tacoma is built way better then the Chevy. Just look at the interiors of them and you will see Toyota makes a better product. I do love my Chevy and it is fully loaded, but the Tundra takes the cake for quality.
I don't know ANYONE who gets over 20 mpg out of a V-6 Tacoma. As for sales and making a profit, OF COURSE Toyota will make a profit when uninformed buyers are gullible enough to pay full list and actually think they got a good deal. With all the recalls on Toyotas for MAJOR safety defects (air bags and accelerators that stick on the floor just to mention the two latest) I'd say their "superior" quality is slipping...BADLY. Of course I hope all the rice burner fans keeping forking over their loot for these death-traps. It sure helped me get a GREAT deal on my Ford truck!!
People are beginning to wake up to the fact they they have been grossly misled about the so-called "superior" quality of Japanese vehicles. I see all sorts of comments on here indicating that American vehicles are "unreliable" and "won't last". In the last 36 years of driving my family has owned a LOT of new American made cars, starting with a 1970 Chevelle SS. Some have been driven over 300,000 miles. NOT ONE ever had an engine or transmission replaced or rebuilt, ever had the heads off, and, in fact, most had very few repairs at all of ANY kind. The two GM vehicles we currently own have about 60,000 miles each on them and neither has ever had a single problem. I'd much rather keep my money in the hands of American companies, where it benefits my friends and neighbors rather than sending it to Japan.
I keep seeing these rather bizarre statements about American trucks not having good resale value, and there is never any kind of source to back up the supposed "facts". I decided to do a bit of actual research. Last year I went truck shopping. I negotiated a purchase price on a Tacoma Prerunner SR-5, but thinking it was ludicrously high, I went to Ford and priced a Ranger with the same engine and transmission combination and similar accessories. It was quite a bit less expensive. I just went to Kelly Bluebook and checked the "private party" resale value of my current Ranger and the Tacoma I priced. The current value of my Ranger is $1080 MORE than I paid for it. The current value of the Tacoma (same equipment, same mileage) is $650 LESS than the price I was given. If I'd bought the Tacoma I'd be $1730 WORSE OFF. Your actual profit or loss on a vehicle is based on what you PAY FOR IT, NOT the LIST price. Since U.S. automakers discount much more, you are ALWAYS ahead by buying an American car or truck. As for "quality", my Ranger rides better, is faster, and since I never keep anything over 100,000 miles any more I know I want have any problems. Most Rangers easily go 200,000 with minimum routine servicing, and don't even require new plugs until 100,000 miles. In addition, the V-6 has no rubber timing belt to replace, so maintenance is basically oil changes and a battery or two. In looking at used car prices I see a LOT of one-year-old (and even 2-year-old) American cars advertised for MORE than they were advertised for NEW last year or year before. My brother bought a new Chevy Impala, kept it a year and sold it for $1000 MORE than it cost him new. Try THAT with a Toyota!!
TO: 1st Nov 2006, 06:57.
Actually the Dodge Dakota has a 200 lbs higher towing capacity with its V6 than the Tacoma V6.
And even the dodge Ram with its 4.7 V8 has a max towing capacity of 8550 lbs.
This morning I noticed in the news that the National Consumer's Union now rates Ford "as reliable as Honda or Toyota". Coming from a highly biased group that always caters to Japanese companies this is quite an admission. Of course, people who have bought American made vehicles since the late 80's already knew they were reliable. Most of those sold since 1985 or '86 are still in use.
Its amazing how many more domestic owners have a more convincing argument however. I have also yet to ever have an engine or transmission replacement in any of my domestic vehicles. If I spend more $ its not on a name,,,,,,,, its putting in more options, components, leather seating etc and actually full size not a mid size. You can have quality, but its not value if it is uncomfortable, springy ride, small interior room. I drive a lot and this is very important. The value is in the driving...I'm not seeing the gap you mention. Normal routine bills such as oil changes, tires, brakes. I have a loaner vehicle if my truck stays overnight at the dealership. Nice offer so far I haven't had to take them up on it. To me the domestic vehicles are the best value.... simple as that.
Full list is a BETTER DEAL???
Actually I'd rather not. It isn't the better deal, it's more expensive, has a crappy warranty and you can get a domestic pickup for much less, better equipped, and Oh Yeah...It's made in America! Supporting well-paid, union jobs! So get off your high horse and realize something isn't better just because it's made in Japan!
You should be able see how much better Toyota vehicles are than any other. Chevrolet makes nothing but garbage. Ford is slightly better, or I should say, sucks SLIGHTLY less. Dodge is fair, but still not even in the same ballpark as any Toyota ever built.
If you have one of these American made vehicles that you claim has a lot of miles on it, or has not been repaired often, then you have one of the fluke vehicles that they have built that is actually decent, and there are very few.
I bought 2 new GM's a loaded Trailblazer/Silverado by flipping a property this year. Paid cash without financing right from dealer internet sites... I looked at a lot of new trucks and many SUV's as well and based my buying decision on features. I have test driven Toyota, Nissan, Dodge, Ford and of course GM. How anyone would sell a Silverado though for a smaller Tacoma is beyond me unless its over fuel. I have relatives one owns a Toyota Land Cruiser and my son a Range Rover and yet I like everything about my Trailblazer. Its doesn't have the nice suspension and the cachet as the Range Rover, but its still very nice to drive. When you are not totally price driven you can be objective and look at every vehicle and pick the one you like best. I had a lot of fun shopping this fall even more. You have to get out and drive them all and really like what you are driving. I have had imports and domestics at the same time. This is the first time however that I have had 2 new same year vehicles of the same mfr. I will still consider Toyota again in a couple years as before.
The Toyota owner raving on this review thinks full list is wonderful I'm sure. Whats one opinion anyway? I am having great luck with domestics and banking the rest for vacations not for repairs. When they are low mileage and under warranty what are you going to pay for.... An oil change? Tires, brakes, shocks, water pumps, timing belts etc etc are for the next owner not me. New trucks are working out well for me anything used including imports are going to have repairs the older they get. My only issue with new vehicles is not having a garage, out in the elements and the acid rain in the northeast. And pressure washing continually at home and wax doesn't help. After a few years the paint is shot. And if theres road salt its worse. So I will buy another in a few years anyway around 50,000 miles anyway. I also get bored with the same vehicle anytime especially when I see a new one on the road next to me.
I agree with comment 07:22. When we were shopping for an SUV we drove lots, including the slow, dangerous, and highly erratic Highlander. We opted to buy a solid, safe, and much better performing GMC Envoy. We've had it almost 4 years now, and it has proven to be a great ride. It's smooth, very fast, got over 20 mpg on our last vacation, and has never had one single mechanical problem. We used the thousands we saved for a couple of nice vacation trips to the mountains and the coast.
So he complains that the 2007 Silverado is list?? Try again. It's November. There is a factory $2000 rebate plus whatever discount the dealer gives you on this specific 2007.
If you are short on funds, you can still grab 72 months free financing if your credit is good or $5000 factory rebate plus whatever discount the dealer gives you on leftover on a stock 2006.
The 2007 has standard 100,000 mile warranty plus 5 year roadside assistance plus 100000 mile courtesy transportation. As an expert the Toyota owner putting us down knows all this I am sure. Or does he?
People also forget about all the interest charges on a new truck loan. Look at what interest you paid and see what the vehicle really costs before you fuel it, insure it and repair it. At time of resale look at what you paid for a vehicle and all the interest charges it's a wake up call... even almost new certified used vehicles are good because of the interest rates backed by GM low rate financing. Again if your credit score is ok.
I am not a car salesman just an average domestic consumer tired of hearing this Toyota owners nonsense. I doubt he knows what he paid for his vehicle with its interest on the loan. I do mine was based on a 751 credit score.
If I break down which is unlikely on a new truck I have a vehicle to use while mine is in under warranty for 5 years without paying for extended warranties and with the rebate I couldn't buy an import. Explain again why I should pay so much extra? My last GM had no shop time except fluids/filters was very well kept, clean and sold easily. I sell every few years. They are not breaking as you say.