18th Feb 2008, 17:22
Even Consumer Reports now refers to Toyota as having "uncharacteristic lapses" in quality. That's putting it very mildly. No domestic truck has ever had the number of problems that Toyota has had with the Tundra, Camry and Highlander.
18th Feb 2008, 21:39
8:08 what is better a "probably OK" former out of warranty import warranty at 51,000 miles directly out of your own pocket... or a written mechanical warranty at 99,999 with one mile left with a new domestic covered by the manufacturer?
If the import engine is so superior why half? If it's never needed and absolute pure perfection ,what does the import manufacturer have to lose? Quit skirting this... it's half the warranty.
What's with the sludging and Tundra engine recalls... shouldn't be any at all based on your comments. If domestics have an issue then the warranty is there... try that at 60,000 miles on your import; oops you do not need any warranty... quite a few have had opposite surprises; go peruse the Consumer Affairs site.
19th Feb 2008, 11:33
Maybe that attitude explains why Toyota quality is dropping like a stone. They have become arrogant and insular, based on success in the 1990's. Meanwhile, Ford learned a lot through their ownership of Land Rover, Jaguar, and Volvo.
Also, there is no "Ford" part. Ford does the design and assembly, but contracts out for parts.
20th Feb 2008, 06:19
14:14 what are the years of your domestics and imports you have owned? Any in the past 5 years?
21st Feb 2008, 06:30
06:19: I've driven, but not owned several newer models of Toyota and various domestics. Nothing has changed. Toyota still beats them hands down.
I don't need to own a new domestic to know that they're junk. I see the problems other people have had with theirs.
A good friend of mine traded off an '07 Dodge Ram because he got tired of all of the downtime with recalls; SIX of them I believe. Three times for seat belts and airbags, some problem or another with the wheel bearings that Dodge said could potentially cause the wheel to fall OFF the truck, and there were a couple others.
Their 2 year old Dodge car (can't remember the model), failed inspection because it needed about $900 dollars in work on the suspension in the front end. It had 30,000 miles and is his wife's daily driver. All highway miles and the front end fell apart in two years. That one got traded too.
Now he has a brand new F-150. An '08. It had hesitation problems in the acceleration from day one and Ford can't seem to fix it. Not to mention he bought it to tow a camper; the tow rating is 10,000 lbs, his camper, loaded, weighs under 8000, and the truck can barely handle it. The engine screams, it overheats and will barely pull up the hills. How long before the engine or transmission blow up on that one? Not long.
And he knows how to pull a camper. He's not trying to run in overdrive. I'm talking about 55 or 60 on the highway. Ford claims he's trying to pull too much with it, yet they guaranteed that it would pull it the day he bought it. Another unhappy Ford owner who will be switching to a Tundra shortly. Not to mention the severe loss he took on trade-in with the Dodge car and truck.
Meanwhile, my uncle has an '05 Tacoma that he pulls a boat with; not a single issue. Another uncle of mine bought an '06 Corolla; runs perfectly with no issues.
My 10 year old Tacoma just turned 85,000 and short of changing fluids and putting gasoline in it, I've done nothing to it. And it gets a lot of off-road use, sometimes pretty rough.
I'm not buying another domestic. Not until they start making something that lasts like my Toyota does. Which means they'll have to basically change everything about them, inside and out, front to back.
21st Feb 2008, 06:33
17:22 No domestic truck has ever had problems like the Tundra? Please.
The Tundra's problems had nothing to do with Toyota and are long since remedied. I could name a long list of trucks from any of the Big 3 that have had many more issues than any Toyota ever had.
21st Feb 2008, 12:02
"The Tundra problems had nothing to do with TOYOTA???" Uhhh... just who BUILT the thing?? Santa Clause??
21st Feb 2008, 14:08
630 again what new domestic (s) have you owned... year and make? Adds tremendous credibility to your comments. Tundras troubles have nothing to do with Toyota? This is the present 2008...new imports we have owned have had a lot of mechanical problems... new domestics are better mechanically. I am basing that on 2000-2004 imports 2004-2008 domestics...10 years ago was 1998 is that what your comments are based on?
21st Feb 2008, 15:57
"18th Feb 2008, 14:14.
14:20 Well, as a proud Toyota owner,..."
I find it interesting that you are so "proud" to be a Toyota owner. It sounds like you have some sort of militant anti-domestic or anti-American agenda.
I've always driven domestic vehicles, and just take it for granted that they always get me where I want to go, because they always have. I don't feel the need to be particularly "proud" of that because it's just the routine, everyday reliability that I've come to expect from my American cars.
The fact that you are so "proud" of your Toyota seems to suggest that you consider it an extraordinary event when it makes it to its destination.
21st Feb 2008, 16:31
6:30... I have lots of friends that have had problems with new Toyotas. I have had to just rescue a co-worker in her late model broken down Camry. She cannot afford to get rid of it and is not loving imports right now.
I have never missed a day of work... my wife did running into import dealer lounges with hers as well. Maybe if we all turned back the clock to the 80-90's, we could reiterate over and over the reliability of imports of old, which I am not seeing the quality in place anymore.
The new domestics are much more reliable and I am not buying anymore imports until the situation improves. The mechanical reliability has done a complete reversal the past 5 years as we are seeing it. Maybe hold onto your old import, but one day you may replace it and join the current disgruntled import ranks.
21st Feb 2008, 17:51
TO 14:09 :
You are actually wrong. Ford didn't consult with Toyota engineers. What actually happened was this:
"Ford engineers realized their technology may conflict with patents held by Toyota, which led to a 2004 patent-sharing accord between the companies, licensing Ford's use of some of Toyota's hybrid technology in exchange for Toyota's use of some of Ford's diesel and direct-injection engine technology. (7) Both Ford and Toyota state that Ford received no technical assistance from Toyota in developing the hybrid powertrain."
22nd Feb 2008, 06:16
Expecting everyone to be satisfied with a Tacoma is a stretch. Would never last on my applications or towing especially. Gave the Tundra a shot; still not as good.
Need a 3/4 ton domestic that easily performs on all applications with no compromises. Better warranty as well.
22nd Feb 2008, 10:48
17:51 You state my point for me. Ford engineers 'realized' they were basically using patented ideas and designs created and licensed to Toyota. Do you believe that it was just a fluke that Ford had to consult with Toyota before go ahead with using their patented designs? Or that Ford just happened, without looking at how Toyota did it, to come up with ideas so close to Toyota's in design that they were in violation of Toyota's patents?
Ford looked at how Toyota does things to see if they could manage to get something right for once. I don't blame them actually, they need all the help they can get. If they tried more often to build their cars the same way Toyota does, they'd be putting out better cars.